More policy changes coming to eBay
I apologize for the length of this post but it is important to give you the full story.
As the title indicates, there are more changes coming to eBay.co.uk and eBay.ie. No doubt all of the eBay sites will soon make the same changes, if they haven’t already done so.
Over the last few months eBay have been making more policy changes. To list in some categories you must list the items with FREE P&P. They are now extending the policy changes to other categories. As of 19th October 2009 sellers listing in selected media categories will also be required to offer free P&P as their first domestic postage option.
The reason for this is that eBay claim that P&P costs are a major reason for buyers spending less on eBay, especially in the media categories.
Those categories are:
Books, Comics & Magazines
• Accessories
• Annuals
• Antiquarian & Collectable
• Audio Books
• Children’s Books
• Collections & Lots
• Comics
• Educational/ Textbooks
• Fiction Books
• Magazines
• Modern Maps & Atlases
• Non-Fiction Books
DVD, Film & TV
• Accessories/ Storage
• Film Memorabilia
• Other Film Formats
• TV Memorabilia
• Videos: VHS
Music
• Accessories/ Storage
• Cassettes
• CDs
• Music Memorabilia
• Other Music Formats
• Records
The following categories already require free P&P:
DVD, Film & TV
• DVDs
Video Games
• Accessories
• Games
• Internet Game Accessories
• Merchandise/ Books
• Other Video Games
So if you are a seller listing in any of those categories you MUST make your 1st domestic postal service free of charge. You can then add an alternative service and charge for it, but I doubt very much that anyone would opt to pay for 1st class postage when 2nd class is free, unless they needed the item by a specific time.
To soften the blow and ‘help sellers absorb the extra expense’ eBay are offering Final Value Fee promotions to eBay Shop owners. From 20 August to 30 September 2009, eBay Shop owners will qualify for a 20% Final Value Fee discount when they offer free P&P in any Media category.
What I find strange is that eBay are offering the 20% discount, up until 30th September and yet the latest policy change isn’t due until 19th October. Maybe they’ll offer more closer to the time, we can only wait and see.
eBay have been capping the P&P charges for some time now. Book sellers, for example, are currently only allowed to charge a maximum of £2.75 for P&P regardless of the true cost of postage.
I sell Books and eBooks (on disc) on eBay and find their latest changes hard to swallow. Sure, I can absorb the cost on some items like thin paperbacks that are quite light and aren’t very expensive to post. But at the other end of the scale I have some very heavy encyclopaedias that cost me £8.22 to post via Royal Mail. Their offer of a 20% discount on Final Value Fees just isn’t enough to compensate. I sell the encyclopaedias at £6.95 and the FVF is 60p, 20% of that is just 12p. Meaning eBay will grant me a 12p discount for every £8.22 that I lose in postage for that item.
If you also sell heavy items in the affected categories I would recommend that you lower your prices NOW and make as many sales as possible before the deadline, when we will have no option but to pay the postage for these items. Either way, you will have to lose money to make sales of such items, or get stuck with the stock.
eBay seem to have forgotten the people that helped build their business to what it is today and seem to be focusing their policies on accommodating the big businesses. They also seem to have overlooked the fact that there’s a world wide recession at the moment, which is the main reason for the reduced sales.
If you’re just getting started on eBay then you MUST look into this before you go and spend your money on stock. The last thing you want to do is buy a bulk order thinking that you have a good mark up only to find that YOU have to cover the P&P costs as they will put a large dent in your profits.
For fixed price listings, you only need to work the postage costs into the price, with Auction items however, you need to be cautious as you don’t know what the end price will be.
This policy change is sure to affect your international sales.
For example, if you currently list an item at £3.95 with £1.95 P&P (UK postage) you will soon need to list it for £5.90 with free P&P. International buyers are far less likely to bid on your item as they won’t know that your domestic postage is included in the price.
To help you ‘TRY’ and make sales you could amend your international postage charges by deducting the £1.95 (that you have included in the price to cover the free postage) from the International shipping cost. So if you currently charge £4.75 for international postage you could amend it to £2.80 when the new policy is introduced.
I also need to point out that your final value fees will be increased, as you’ll be paying a % of the Total price which includes postage costs.
It’s no good huffing and puffing or stamping your feet. When eBay change their policies they don’t often change them back. All we can do is try and work with them or around them.
If you have any tips that other readers may find useful please leave a comment and share those tips for others to use.
An example tip: If you list your items now in the Fixed Price format as GTC (Good unTil Cancelled) and include the P&P charges then the listing will remain active until you’ve sold them all. But you will not be able to revise the listing without changing the P&P to comply with the new policy.
Update on this tip: eBay are now ending GTC listings in the affected categories. So you DO need to offer free post in them all.
More news as and when ebay release it.
Until next time, take care
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Sorry, Barry, I have nothing useful to add. I list oil lamp glassware and my postage costs are at source, £2.70 second class, plus the £1 + VAT for the brand new carton and a few pence for bubble wrap, making a total of £3.99 for the box of 4 chimneys or one shade. However I have seen single chimneys listed with postage as high as £12. Sadly I think a lot of people have tried to take advantage and make a profit on P&P. Hard to see how people will be abel to afford to list items on an auction listing now, unless they put a higher starting price to include the post cost.
Enjoy the journey.
Mandy
Hi Mandy, thanks for leaving a comment.
I have also seen many listings with over the top P&P charges. Boy have those sellers got a shock coming.
The latest changes will level that out, but I think it will also reduce the amount of listing on eBay.
Take care,
Regards,
Barry
Twitter: kathydobson
Hi Barry,
Thanks for the heads-up. Ebay is constantly changing and we really have to be on top of things if we want to stay ahead. I want to get into ebay selling but more and more I get a bit disillusioned.
Great informative post…
Kathy
Hi Kathy, sorry for the delay in replying but i’ve i’ve been laid up and quite unwell.
I may have a solution for you but will email you about that.
Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment.
Regards, Barry
Hi Barry,
I agree with what you are saying eBay always bring out new policies to suit the buyer and their own profit margins, thats the way it has always been, and always will be!
TTFN….Ed.
Here here my friend, I agree. Hope you’re well Ed. Speak soon my friend.
Barry
Great informative post. Guess on the face of it its good news for buyers yet frustrating for sellers as once again we see our profit margins eroded. I have always charged fair postage at cost but with some of the changes find a number of products aren’t worth selling as you end up covering the postage (and fees etc) with your actual profit so you are effectively working for free, not good!!
Will be revising my strategies….
Tom
Hi Tom, thanks for leaving a comment. That’s exactly my point. If you’re selling in the affected categories then i suggest you have a sale before the new policy comes into affect, as once it does your choices are reduced drasticly.
Regards, Barry
Hi Barry
This is a really informative article, no need to apologize for it being too long when the content is so valuable.
Regards
Ann
Thanks Ann, hope you’re well.
Speak soon, take care.
Regards, Barry
Hi Barry,
What a brilliant post! Yes, eBay is keeping all of us on our toes. Since Meg Whitman stepped down, many things have changed! Some for the better some not. EBay is still hemorrhaging sellers to Amazon and other auction sites here in the US and I don’t see this changing anytime soon.
Regardless, eBay is still THE auction site. And there are still a lot of niche areas one can make a good profit with.
Thank you, Barry! A great post all the way around
Svenja
Hi Svenja, thanks for leaving your comment. It is very true eBay is still the largest and most popular auction site. Sellers just need to choose their niche a little more carefully these days, and be aware of the postal policy changes.
Regards, Barry
Barry
Brilliant post. I’m only looking to sell ebooks to UK & US customers. Any advice.
Thanks
Alex
Hi Alex, the best advice i can give you is PlanetSMS
You’ll get a website full of ebooks, which you can add onto your excisting site, (just need a domain name) and in the members area you’ll find all the guides you need to set up selling ebooks both on the web and on eBay. There’s also a forum that offers help, advice and everything else that you’re likely to need.
Quick Tip! When on the page (from link above) close page and you will be offered a $20 discount, shh don’t tell anyone I told you…
Hi Barry,
Wow! on the ebay policy changes. Just when you think you are organised they go and change the game again! Don’t they want sellers for some reason??????
Reading your post has now made me think of what exactly are our policies here in Auzzie land. I think I know what I am doing this afternoon. I was just about to re launch my ebay site as well. Thanks for the heads up…..:D
Jacinta Dean
Hi Jacinta, thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. To find ebay announcements for your local site go to your My eBay page and click the link for your messages, then scroll down the page to the bottom and you’ll see a link to announcements.
Hope that helps, Regards Barry
Thanks Barry, doesn’t Ebay know about ‘killing the goose that lays the golden eggs’? From memory, Amazon gives free US postage above purchases of certain value, which makes more commercial sense. I am in NZ, and I buy several articles at a time, to lower my per item shipping costs. It’s hard to see how Ebay thinks making sellers less profitable, will grow it’s business !
Cheers John
Hi John, good to see you again. Who knows what goes on within the eBay thinking machine, all we can do is play along or move on.
Regards, Barry
Thanks for the news, Barry.
I’ve not sold on eBay for some time now, but I will be getting back into it soon. At least I know what to expect when I return now.
I think the real reason for them making this change so they can make more money on seller fees, as they can’t take 5% or whatever it is from the postage. So now sellers will be forced to adjust their prices to include the p&p, which they will incur a % fee on.
So I can’t say I’m happy about it from a sellers point of view, but I suppose as a regular ebay buyer (which I am) it’s not so bad.
Nice blog btw!
Take care,
Paul.
Hi Paul thanks for stopping by.
You’re absolutely right eBay will now be charging a % of the postal costs in the Final Value Fees. As will paypal for receiving your payments.
People now need to look into what they’re selling on eBay and try to avoid low priced items in the affected categories.
Regards, Barry
Hi Barry,
I have been reading a lot of discussions about these changes recently and yours is the best summary of the situation I have seen. There’s a lot of anger out there about this but, as you rightly say, no amount of footstamping is likely to change things. I have started offering 2nd Class postage free of charge as my first option with paid-for 1st Class as the second option. As you anticipated, most buyers are opting for 2nd Class rather than pay the extra. I sell mainly CDs by fairly obscure artists, most of which come from charity shops and I will have to be much more selective in future about whether I buy an item or not – previously I could pay a pound for a CD, list it for 99p and not worry if it only sold for that much because the P&P meant that I at least broke even and would know not to buy that CD again. Doing that now will lose me money, which has the unfortunate side-effect that I will effectively be giving less to charity each month. For the last couple of years I have been spending up to around £200 each month in charity shops – they got their money, I took the risk of the item not selling but hopefully made a profit if it did, and somebody without access to that particular shop got an item they wanted. I also have to consider whether I should stop shipping to UK addresses completely – fortunately I do a reasonable chunk of business with foreign buyers but it is still going to hurt. Trading on Ebay is just a sideline for me – it must be much harder for people for whom it is the main source of income.
Best regards
David
Hi David, thanks for stopping by and leaving your comment.
What most sellers are now doing is adding the postal costs to the start price and offering FREE 2nd class postage. Single CD’s can go as a large letter within the UK, which costs about 65p. If you normally start your CD’s at 99p then i would recommend that you now start around £1.45 – £1.75 with free postal to the UK. Then deduct the 65p (UK Postal price) from the international postal costs and this should help.
Best of luck, Barry
Over time Ebay has made more and more changes. Such as the one about shipping costs. I do agree that people should not need to pay over the top shipping fees. but some rules I see as fair and some leave me scratching my head.
I have stopped selling part time on Ebay for now, and am not sure I would go back to it, as it has become so competitive as to who can sell at the lowest cost. After a while, I really could not make much.
Hi Jeannie, Welcome to my blog.
I have to agree with you Jeannie, some of the policy changes have had the same affect on me
I also agree that it’s getting to be a competition as to who can sell at the lowest price. I have stopped listing many of my books now and focus on information products now
Have you tried Amazon? You can ship your stock to them and allow them to cover distribution, which is a big time saver.
Best of luck Jeannie, thanks for commenting.
Barry